In this modern era of the NBA, San Antonio Spurs' Tim Duncan has been crowned the best power forward ever. However, Nets' Kevin Garnett has also been named one of the best at the forward position which has stirred debate as to which is the best.
Nets' Deron Williams recently weighed in on the topic and took the diplomatic approach saying both are the best at their position of this NBA generation.
There is no doubt both are two of the best forwards in NBA history but is there really any question that TD is the better of the two?
KG has won one title with Boston after being traded from Minnesota. He teamed with Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo and the trio made the Celtics a title contender for many seasons. However, TD has done much more on one team for his entire career.
Four NBA titles alone should give Duncan the nod over KG as to who is the better of the players. If that isn't enough, Duncan has done more on one team than KG has.
When they met in the postseason (when KG was playing in the West) Duncan outshined him, leading the Spurs over the Timberwolves in playoff series.
There is no doubt Garnett is Hall of Fame bound but when it comes to Duncan, it might be safe to say Garnett is a distant second.
What are your thoughts Spurs fans?
Ducan and Garnett are closer than u think. Of course u would say Ducan is better, because he has 4 rings, 2 mvps. But I think most people who aren't Spurs fans would say TD played with better players which is true. Where as KG was never surround with the same caliber of players like TD. KG had to do it on his own out of necessity. As much as I respect Duncan I don't think he's more skilled than Garnett. KG to me is the more skilled and versatile player.
@quixem still tim various steps above to me
Of course Williams is going to give the edge to Garnett, that is his teammate. I don't know what he is smoking but there is no question that Duncan is the better out of the two.
@quixem and will say dirk is much closer to kg , than kg to tim
@RealStevie_P he's exclusively been a center for the past four years. The Spurs basically start two (Duncan, Splitter).
@Mike ProjectSpurs If you're basing your argument on personal accolades, then TD wins. But KG is the better all round player. No question TD is great, but KG is equally great. Let's be honest Duncan was blessed to have better players around him for all of his career. Garnett 12 yrs in Sota didn't have the same luxury of teammates as Duncan did.
@Mike ProjectSpurs personally, Garnett has done more. beside Garnett, which of his Minnesota team mate was a superstar or an all star? Let them trade places. Garnett is a step ahead of TD. but there are both power houses
@quixem Out of necessity though right with so many injuries...
@RealStevie_P he has a centers frame, he can fulfill the duties of a center (rebound, protect the rim).
I do believe that Garnett is more skilled athletically, but that wasn't the question. The question was who is the best PF. Heck I'm not even disagreeing with Deron, Garnett and Tim are the 2 best PF's of their generation. But its Tim at #1 and Garnett #2. And I don't think there's a huge gap but Tim in comparison with all of the PF's that have come and gone has done more with his limited athletic ability than Garnett whose skill level has redefined what a PF is.
as far as organizations go, yes Tim has benefited more but that isn't his fault and any hypothetical situations like if Tim played in Minnesota and Garnett in San Antonio is moot because there isnt any guarantee that both organizations would have made the same moves or if Garnett could handle Pop yelling at him.
also me bringing up Wally, Sprewell, Marbury and Cassel was in response to the question under this thread. "...which of his Minnesota team mate was a superstar or an all star?
So thank you for the blessing. and may you be blessed as well.
I love Duncan just as much as u do, but I know when not to sound or act like homer. I do believe Ducan is the greatest PF of all time, because his personal achievements (MVP, Rings) say so, but I don't think he's a better player than Garnett. Compare teammates in Garnett's twelve years in Minny to Ducan's tenure. The comparison isn't close.
The supporting cast Timmy had alongside him is great than Garnett's supporting cast. Pay cut? When Garnett did take a pay cut, Wolves management was still incapable of adding quality talent.
"Garnett like Webber are great, athletic PF's with awesome jumpers but they are both a step behind Timmy. Between Garnett and Duncan, only Duncan made Rasho Nesterovic a champion". Sadly you're serious about that quote.
That's like me comparing Duncan to Rasheed. C'mon. You have a blessed day, buddy.
@spursaholic If u don't like Garnett for whatever reasons, then fine, but your argument has no merit. If u have any real knowledge of the NBA you know certain markets have a harder time attracting free agents or developing. Minnesota was one of those markets. McHale originally drafted Ray Allen, but traded for Marbury and know we all know how that turned out, right?
Kevin McHale was a bad GM. Facts are facts whether u want to acknowledge or not. Wally? Are u serious!?! Cassel and Sprewell were serviceable, but pass their prime in '04. Cassel had declined and had a plethora of injuries which lead to him being done in '05.
Ducan took a pay cut in '07 and '12, and that's great, but so did Garnett in '04 and '12. Garnett was foolishly loyal to the Wolves, who started rebuilding in 2006, 2007, KG just never wanted to face reality of a rebuild.
I can't see how u can seriously argue or compare Wally, Marbury, Cassel and Sprewell vs Tim Ducan's supporting cast for 17yrs. I'm just amazed that you're seriously making that argument. Wow!
Garnett like Webber? Right there that says a lot about you. Whether you're bias or just aloof. You need to be honest with yourself when discussing the careers of TD and KG. Is Duncan the best PF of all time? I think so. He has the accolades to prove so, but he isn't the most skilled PF of all time. Garnett is the better skilled player than Duncan.
Tim took his first paycut in 07, while he was still in his prime, for the future of the team. Garnett had 10 years to do something like that. Instead he watched his all star teammates get traded or leave because of it.
He had decent enough teammates in Wally and Marbury, Cassel and Sprewell. McHale might not be Buford or Pop but he did have enough brains to draft an untested high school student.
Garnett like Webber are great, athletic PF's with awesome jumpers but they are both a step behind Timmy. Between Garnett and Duncan, only Duncan made Rasho Nesterovic a champion.
@spursaholic Are u serious? Any 20 yr kid would take 6yrs/$126mill. Duncan in his early years never took pay cuts. The Spurs always did a great job adding or developing players around Timmy. The Timberwolves during Garnett's 12yrs, was POORLY run by GM Kevin McHale. Anyone with a brain knows McHale was a terrible GM.
"and I honestly don't think Garnett ever did that for anyone in a Twolves uniform". You clearly did not see enough of Wolves games during the Garnett era, because he was too damn unselfish to a fault.