1. Tracy never got nor expected to play any significant minutes; I don't count 5 minutes of garbage time in a couple of 20 pt blow outs as "significant".
2. When Tracy was in the games you could see that he was just trying to get the other players involved and wasn't looking to score. At this stage of his career he is more of a "Point forward" than he is a "scorer".
3. Pop's offense is not a simple system its predicated on guys being in certain spots at certain times and you have to really know when to shoot and when to pass and cut. Even when its a 20 point blow out Pop still expects you run his offense without a fault.
4. Pop is loyal to his core players to almost a fault! He will live and die with Manu's style of play both good and bad. It was obvious that Manu's confidence was slowly eroding with each bad possession and he really hurt the Spurs chances in a lot of key moments of game 7.
Could Tracy had helped the Spurs? I think so. Pop could've put Tracy in the game to counter the Heat moving Lebron to defend Parker (who was banged up and having trouble shooting over his length) Pop could've had Tracy sub for Ginobli who had a stretch in that game 7 where he was just a turnover machine trying to force plays that weren't there. Pop could've used Tracy length and size at the 1 or 2 to help rebound the ball during that stretch where the Heat dropped several daggers from the 3pt line all because the Spurs couldn't rebound the ball limit the Heat 's number of second chance points.
Seems to me it wouldn't have hurt to put him in a couple of times to see what he could do. I doubt he would have embarrassed anyone and he might well have provided a spark, particularly in front of the home-town crowd. In the end, however, it was the same problems that's afflicted the Spurs for years that cost them the title--free throws and rebounds.
Maybe T-Mac could have helped for stretches. The point is that he never got the opportunity. I get that he is no longer an all-star, but being so close to getting a championship ring before retiring would have tremendous motivation for T-Mac to contribute. My problem with the acquisition of T-Mac is that if Pop and company really didn't think he could add much value to the team, then why bother signing him?
The NBA playoffs is full of Cinderella stories of guys who were just marginal players or over-the-hill who took over playoff games or just get on a hot streak that changed the outcome of a game.
He did play bad ,but I understand going with the guys who got you there.,but as a coach sometime you have to make a change and Pop didn't for what ever reason and it cost him. Why sign a guy if you don't think he can help?
Had him in camp and watched him in china , saw enough that you sign him then ?????
But he worked hard and thats why he thinks he could've helped . Now so did Tim D. He has played with him and I don't know if you remember when the hawks played the heat last year and I was Tracy with the 3 big 3 ptrs at the end of the game.
He got healthy before Detroit watch him .
Now my dude downtown Fred brown was the truth and yes a great shooter that's never in the conversation when ppl talk about best shooter of all time .what a shame...
I'm sorry.... I truly am because I like Manu Ginobili, but he played horribly against Miami, so Tracy nor Blair couldn't have played any worse!!! In fact I think Sean Elliot could've came out of retirement and played better than Ginobili....
30 GMs could not be wrong and some nobody guy like myself be right. I get that it's so easy to go along with the crowd. I think your scared to watch the clip because you might think you were wrong and just going along with the crowd or popular belief.Go ahead watch the clips . Then tell me the same thing as before.
If you guys would just take 20min to watch some of the highlights from the last 3yrs and be honest about what you see with your own eyes a player who is broken down and can't play anymore i'll shut up.. No not really i like this ,but take alook and let me know.
gymbear , spursfan66 i understand that the limited playing time he got he didn't show much, but if you ever played this game then you would know after sitting that long you get stiff. and i'm not saying he can still score 13pts in 35 sec only that he can still play at the nba Level. i see ppl all the time say he lost so much and he has lost some, but not everything.did we not see him become the starting point guard for Detroit ? NO! on the conspiracy ,but theres something other than his skill set ... Yes on 60% and yes china is no where near the nba i get that. i been watch b-ball since before Downtown Freddy Brown did it to the bullets.
Much respect for T-Mac when he was a scoring machine. Much respect for his confidence. Great players have great confidence. That said, in the spot minutes he did play with the Spurs, his lateral movement is bad because he has bad knees. His explosiveness and lift? Both a shadow of what he used to do. Even his stroke didn't appear as smooth (or quick) as it was before. Miami was applying great pressure with their athletic guys and I don't see T-Mac going off with that kind of pressure. The T-Mac from yesteryear...absolutely. At the end of the day though, Pop and co saw enough of how T-Mac moved and what he could and could not do physically to know if it was wise to play him against that tremendous pressure Miami gave us on the perimeter with their length and athleticism. I highly doubt Pop would say, "T-Mac could really help us win another ring, but I don't want to hurt Manu or Danny's feelings." If Pop thought T-Mac (or Blair) could have been game changers or provided that little extra we needed to win, he would have done it. And as was said earlier, if T-Mac was still able to be the T-Mac so many of us remember from his Houston years, or even a lesser but still viable NBA player, he would have been picked up by a team right away. Again, lighting it up in China is so much different than competing against the Heat. This is my concern with Joseph as I've mentioned so much, but that's a different post. As for Blair, I look forward to seeing the rapper formerly known as the Dancing Bear put on his backside by Baynes and or Pendergraph. At least T-Mac could look back and say "Look at what I used to do. I think I could have done it again." DeJuan? Notsomuch
Your both right . some GM would have signed him if he was still a good NBA Player. and he is better then 60% of the players on some of these teams. TODAY!!
J. B. Really ? Do me a favor and check his clips from Detroit , Atlanta and china just look and tell me he's not healthy and can still play. there is more to this then alot of ppl think.
who can get loose in 5 min ? Pop signed him so the Lakers couldn't. dirty deal.. if he would of played T-mac its a win.. D. green played bad , G. Neal played bad and Manu played bad . should of played the Mac. regardles of the league you can't ave 25pts if you not healthy . and watch some bonehead come back and say yes you can..
T-mac could of helped Win ! no ? you ppl need to stop hating on a great player and person. ask yourself why would a superstar have to go to china to get the love and respect they deserve for things they did in the US. this is so sad. he should still be on a nba team . lots of guys that will never be half the player was is getting paid and he can't ????
In the mins he did play for Spurs, he did absolutely nothing, so chalk this up as yet another load of crap from a player Spurs had ZERO interest in bringing back.
Fact is the Spurs don't get to the finals without Manu but they got there without McGrady. I don't think McGrady even scored a bucket at anytime he was on the court and don't even get me started with Blair.
Blair never improved his game since he got drafted. His jump shot, low post moves, and defense didn't improve one bit since he got drafted. He still committed the same dumb fouls since day one. Basically he was that very same player since he got drafted. He had a chip on his shoulder when the other teams passed on him in the draft and he had a chip on his shoulder when he didn't get enough playing time. Blair seems like the type of guy that it is everyone else's fault but his own. Grown men take responsibility for their own actions. Look at Leonard mouth shut, eyes and ears open. Do what the coaches want you to do, work hard and stay away from the burgers.
@jaws3 He averaged 5.2 mins pg in playoffs and scored ZERO points in his entire tenure as a Spur. He did have chances and did not impress me even a little. Sad but true
@driver2028 He was only an insurance policy in case of injury.
@BigLou86 Actually, those two could EASILY have played worse considering neither is as good as Manu.
@driver2028 LMAO..ya, really scared. As Ive said, Ive seen PLENTY and he's simply a shadow of what he once was. And you are just delusional if you think you know more than THIRTY other staffs in the NBA re: TMac. But by all means continue your Tmac love story..I'll stick with facts
@driver2028 Seen more than enough to arrive at my opinion and it simply is that Tmac is done in NBA.
@driver2028 He may or may not be able to play in the NBA. We'll never know. I remember Downtown Freddy Brown quite well! Man could flat out shoot. I've been an athlete my whole life. Better shape now than most 20 year olds. That said, the knees go, lateral movement is restricted, explosiveness diminishes. I just don't see T-Mac jumping into that Heat series and thriving against their length and athleticism and physicality. It's all speculation and that is I think what bugs me about his statement. Just because he feels he could have helped doesn't mean he would have actually helped. Another possibility would be that he would take poor shots, turn the ball over and play as badly as Manu played on the offensive end and been abused while playing D. Again-it's all speculation. No value in it. I still don't see Pop being concerned at all about anyone's feelings over winning a championship. I think if he honestly thought T-Mac could have contributed something we needed he would have been on the floor. I also think the fact he's not on a roster now speaks volumes. Guys with his length that can play 3 positions (possibly 4) don't sit around waiting for a call unless they are a headcase (he's not that), a bad citizen (he's not that) or their body has deteriorated and they can't play at an NBA level. T-Mac had knee problems and ankle problems on and off through his career. Nothing personal against him or you. I just think Pop played the guys he thought would/could produce against the pressure of the Heat.
@driver2028 Then just come out and educate us as to WHY he didnt get signed? 30 teams are wrong and only YOU are right?
@gymbear Still it would have been nice if Pop had put him on the floor for 5 minutes to see what he could have done. It is inexcusable.
@driver2028 So, what is it? Some kind of conspiracy that he wasn't signed? And sorry but your 60% thing is the funniest thing I've read in a good while. Thats just insane
@driver2028 Simple...if any NBA team thought he was still good enough, he would have a job. Sure, he can still play bball..just not NBA level. Why so sensitive about it? Noone here has called the guy a turd or anything.
@driver2028 Loose in five minutes? He is a professional basketball player and any role player should know that they can be called on at anytime and should be ready. He did not score one single basket with the Spurs.
@driver2028 Justin Beiber could score 25 in China..get real
@driver2028 Wasn't hate from me..just truth. If he still had game, he WOULD have an NBA team. He just lost too much of his game because of his injury..it happens
@Spursfan66 Not really a fair assessment in that T-Mac only played during garbage time. In his prime T-Mac was a prolific scorer, but he seemed to be trying too hard to be unselfish, passing the ball off, hesitant to shoot. Don't know if he would have made a difference, but sometimes, I'd like for Pop to act on a hunch. Maybe a couple of iso plays could have gotten T-Mac going and sustained our momentum. Star players know how to be big in the moment.
Manu is one of the best players to don the Spurs uniform, but except for game 5, he was awful and cost us many valuable possessions on offense in a tight series. I love Manu 100x more than T-Mac and Blair combined, but he was a liability in this year's NBA finals.
Even taking a chance on Blair is not a bad idea when you need a momentum changer. Does anyone remember game 4 of the 2012 WCF where Ibaka goes 11 for 11, and long Perkins and Nick Collison they shoot a combined 80+%? That will NEVER happen again in the history of their lives! Playoff basketball, championship games often reward coaches for playing their hunches and acting on instincts.
Conversely, taking out your 2 best players in the closing seconds of an NBA championship game defies both logic and instinct.
@MarkCubanisaDouche Excellent take
Hey I got one for you if your a Boxing fan.. Mike Tyson would of knock Ali out if the first round in record time.
See I can tell you just don't want to be wrong. Fact he is not in the NBA . Fact not all GMs feel the way you do his price and his role on the team is to much. Man! This is not a love story.. Some guys belong and some don't you can go to any team and pluck guys off that don't belong. No disrespect to any player in game just facts
Yea your right he is done in the NBA ... I just don't think he should be yet... Like your a spurs fan I'm a fan of the Mac! No disrespect to you or gym bear or the spurs just a fan who thinks something's not right when 40 yr old guys can still be in the NBA and not have much to offer and the Mac has t go to China just play and get the love he so deserves.
I like what your saying because you know the game and I don't feel the hate. Now that being said he did have injuries like a lot other players and he put in the work to get back. I feel and it's just me , that he is just not getting the respect due him. Now if I could just get you to watch the film from the piston and the hawks and china .then tell me he don't have any of the things you seem to believe he lost .
And I understand it's easy when he is not on a roster to think 30 GMs couldn't be wrong .
@jaws3 @Spursfan66 Hindsight is always 20/20. That said, MAYBE he could have done something, but obviously he didnt show Pop enough to light that candle. It's not just what he did in limited mins on the floor imo (or didn't do), but I would think all the practice time would also factor into Pops decision.
Beyond that, how many times have we seen Manu make mistakes and then turn right around and make up for them? The answer is MANY. Unfortunately, he didn't manage to do that in the deciding games.
@driver2028 If you changed the word "would" to "could" I would be right with you there. I think prime Mike could have easily knocked out ANY boxer from any era given the right circumstances. But in boxing, there are many circumstances that come into play on any given night/fight. I just tend to not fool myself into thinking that I can somehow guarantee ANY result in the sporting world.
@driver2028 And i hope he gets it..he CAN be a star there, just not here anymore.
@driver2028 I can handle being wrong..but Im not in this case. I said he no longer has enough to be in the NBA, and he isn't. He cant even get a minimum offer in NBA. All he is asking for in China is 2 mil apparently, so if you are actually trying to say hes not in NBA because he wants too much $ then I'd say you are out of touch with reality..no offense of course
@driver2028 Fair enough
@driver2028 Sorry if it was me that made you feel the hate either personally or for your man Tmac. That was not my intention. I actually have great respect for Tmac and think he had a great career sadly shortened by injuries. I just don't think it was likely that he could have made enough difference to get us the chip. I also think it's a little disrespectful to say such a thing to the media. That kind of thing definitely doesn't help a player looking for a new team either, so in my opinion he would have been better served to avoid such comments. That said, he has every right to do so.