Burn!!!!! Hardly. Before we all jump down on Gregg Popovich for possibly taking a dig at former Spur Bruce Bowen, this is not what he intended or was trying to do when stating that Bowen could not pass nor dribble when he came to San Antonio. It was a work in progress.
There is no question how high Popovich is on Leonard. Through two seasons with San Antonio he is starting to show all the fans and San Antonio Spurs front office glimpses on what he could possibly become. Leonard as many fans and teammates know is the Spurs best defender and he will be given the task night in and night out to guard the opposing teams best player.
Case in point, NBA Finals, the biggest stage of them all, Leonard had the task of guarding LeBron James. Leonard stepped up to the challenge and I feel this is what turned many peoples eyes that he is going to be the defensive stopper for the team. Though the Miami Heat captured the title, Leonard's play leaped him into talks of becoming the teams future.
While the team was in Los Angeles to take on the Lakers, Gregg Popovich told ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin that he [Leonard] is much better than Bowen and that when Bowen got to San Antonio he could not dribble nor pass.
Here is what Popovich had to say about Leonard and Bowen:
"He’s a lot better than Bruce Bowen. Bruce Bowen couldn’t dribble and couldn’t pass. He shot 3s in the corner and he played good D, he played great D. So we want Kawhi to match Bruce’s great D first and foremost, but after that he’s a much better offensive player.”
You can read as far as you want in the quote that Popovich gave to McManim. What Bowen once was is what Leonard is turning into for the Spurs. The defense for Leonard is there, that is nothing to shy away from. Where he needs work on is his outside shot. He is remarkable in the open floor as he has shown through his first few seasons with the team. Once that jumpshot is developed, he will definitely be something lethal.
Bowen 2.0 project is underway folks. This truly is going to be something great to see. What are your thoughts on Gregg Popovich on Leonard?
I agree with Pop. Kawhi Leonard is capable of doing more on the court than Bruce Bowen. However, Pop is still suggesting that Kawhi Leonard study Bruce Bowen's defense. So, defensively Bruce still has the edge in my opinion.
The future face of the Spurs is averaging 3.5 points more and 2 rebounds less per game while playing 10 minutes per game more than ......
Carlyle remains a genius at coaching thrown together teams. With Cuban, his job should remain secure.
Bowen had the luxury of having Tim Duncan at his peak anchoring the team defense. This is no dig at Bruce, he was a great defender in his own right. What Kawhi has done in two years is remarkable, but he has still got a long way to go before he reaches Bowen's defensive reputation. Even if LeBron struggled in the finals, he still scored too many points in crunch time and grabbed too many rebounds under Kawhi's watch. Not sure if Bowen would have allowed this to happen.
I agree his defense is already there, but it seems like Kawhi had already developed a pretty good outside shot (at least from the corner). He's been working on going to the basket more and his all around offensive game is falling in place. The crazy thing is as good as he already is, he can probably still improve in all facets of his game! The only thing that concerns me is that when he has the ball he seems to play one-one more than looking for someone with a better shot. Now, do they let him keep doing this to develop his game and build his confidence, or reign him in to play more "team ball"? I am sure PATFO want to keep him happy to make sure he resigns with the team.
why would we get mad at pop for saying kawhi is better than bowen? it's beyond obvious that kawhi has infinite more upside than bowen ever did.
@DifferentVSTheSame Just because he has been asked to study Bowen's defense doesn't mean Bowen was better at defense. Kawhi is much more capable than Bowen even on defense because he is longer and more athletic. But studying some of Bowen's move might teach him some tricks to make him even better.
Bowen had the luxury of being able to overplay the likes of Nash, etc. because he had a young, athletic Duncan behind him.
@gruelingslate What are you talking about? And who is Carlyle; do you mean Carlisle? Mind you Kawhi Leonard is a SF doing things a PF and C should be doing. You lose again.
@spursfan80 Why limit a player like Kawhi in only shooting corner shots when he's capable of doing more for you? Kawhi Leonard is not Bruce Bowen. When realizing that you don't just have settle with Parker, Duncan and Ginobili to create shots for the team. Remember, some plays are set plays.
@isaacd35 you must have been mad when he played.
@gruelingslate @DifferentVSTheSame We swept LeBron with Bowen. We lost in 7 games with Leonard. Kawhi has the potential to get better and be better. Right now, I still say Bruce Bowen has the edge defensively. If you read carefully, it appears Pop is saying the same thing. Pop said, " So we want Kawhi to match Bruce's great D first and foremost, but after that he's a better offensive player." Key words, "better offensive player." Leonard adding some of Bruce's style with his length will make him a better defensive player. He's not seasoned yet, much like LeBron wasn't in 2007.
Point is, Kawhi is a great all around player but I don't see him as ever being a markee player with his face plastered everywhere. He doesn't have the personality for it, and his game doesn't translate into big stats which is all that will make him known outside of big SA.
Now, please proofread this for me and post my grade by the weekend because I am waiting on pins and neeeeeedles.
@spursfan80 @DifferentVSTheSame I didn't mention them because they aren't as of right now looked at as the future "star" on the team. Belinelli and Diaw are role players. But like I said before some plays are designed for certain players. So, if Kawhi has the ball at some points in the game it might be for him to create the shot for himself.
What's the difference when "The Big 3" creates shots for themselves? Remember, Sean Elliott? All of these guys mentioned can make plays for themselves and others. If Kawhi wasn't capable of doing so I don't see why Pop would mention Bowen's lack of being able to pass and dribble when comparing who's the better player.
In many of the games I've seen Kawhi play he's made attempts to look for open players. Sometimes defenses cause issues that make you have to change up the initial play. You want that extra punch so when your main guys are off, double-teamed or out with injury you have someone else to go to. Kawhi Leonard is a guy who can score and get to the line.
HAHAHAHAH! Your like an obsessive ex girlfriend, You just can't get enough of me. I meant that he didn't go up against talents like Paul George on a nightly basis like he's doing now with all the small forwards and shooting guards he has to guard and he probably only played him maybe twice in his college career, you still didn't make my point invalid. Evidently you still can't comprehend things buttercup.
@isaacd35Kawhi Leonard did play against Paul George in College. Leonard was a freshman and George was a sophomore. Don't believe me? Watch Leonard's post-game interview from last nights game on the Spurs website, he says it out of his own mouth. I thought you said you watched Leonard in college? "Yeah, I did see him in college." "Exactly, and he also didn't go up against Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony and Paul George and a plethora of other talented small forwards in the league." Are these not your words? "Your basketball knowledge is the same as anybody else's on this website (but I have more of course)." Evidently you enjoy lying to yourself.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 I'm still talking about the same thing because I'm Hoping you'd understand, but now I see that there is no hope for you. My confidence gets higher with every post I type because I know who I'm talking to, so your kinda helping out. Anyway, I was just messing with you buttercup, you don't have to take it to heart, you see that's where your sensitivity comes in, just calm down and relax. Your basketball knowledge is the same as anybody else's on this website (but I have more of course), no more, no less we just have different opinions which is okay and once you realize that you'll be okay too, By the way I love Cookies.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame Dude, what is wrong with you? Still talking about the same thing. I thought you was going to be like alright, let's talk some basketball. Here you're calling me names to build yourself some confidence. You weak. But I understand why you do it. Don't nobody love you. Wasn't tough enough for Daddy was you? Weak minded little boy. You have some idea of basketball because you watch the Spurs. But even with that knowledge you still don't know enough. Probably, don't even play basketball. You just a Spurs fan running his mouth. Say some more dumb stuff, cookie.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 Pay Attention? Now why would I pay attention to and old loony tune like you. You should be looking in your delusional little mirror when you say things like that, because your having a hard enough time keeping up with this conversation, "From the things you said it didn't appear that you were saying Leonard is better than today's Jefferson". What!? Are you Kidding me! HAHAHA, I can't believe you didn't know what we were comparing, as I said in my other post " Not Paying Attention" We were talking about when dick Jefferson played with the spurs and now, how kawhi fits in with the spurs, Do you understand Now? Damn, did you hit your head on your laptop when you were spewing out all that nonsense. Now that I know you have amnesia, let me reiterate what I was saying, Do you know why the spurs are calling plays for leonard and didn't call any for dick Jefferson, because as you said, "Dick Jefferson was soft and an inconsistent shooter". The Times we did try to post him up, he wouldn't produce, he would always make that hard face up drive to right, which the defender already knew he was going to do and either throw up a prayer or turn it over, sometimes if he was lucky he would get fouled, but more often then not, it was a bad play. The spurs didn't use Jefferson in more ways because he didn't have the ability to get used in more than one way, that's why he was regulated to a stand still 3 point shooter and than when The playoffs came around he would freeze up and wasn't even good at that anymore. If playing for the spurs changed dick Jefferson's mentality for the worse, than he's even more weak minded that I thought, That's the difference between Kawhi and Dick Jefferson ( aside from the fact that Leonard is just better), Kawhi is tougher mentally and is a gamer. C'mon Buttercup, The only game you study is candy land and the only reason you would have a better conversation with the bum is because you both speak the same language, Crazy.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame Actually, I did say it go look on my profile. Again you don't pay attention. Follow directions. When you get this one go on my profile it has my accurate stuff. I'm not making up stuff. I see you're still reading post I made before I edited them. So, to stop the confusion look at what I said on my profile before you send another post. Buttercup? You must be the evil villain HIM. From the things you said it didn't appear that you were saying Leonard is better than today's Jefferson. It sounded like you were saying he's better than him in general. As if Jefferson never did anything in the league. I was like well then you must have never seen him play before the Spurs. You wanted to be funny, so I found my way of being funny too. You probably have had some good debates prior to this one. I'm just making it known I'm not like everybody you've debated before. I wanted to see how much you knew about what you were talking about. You gave some credit, but you still missed something. The system did have some part in his being unsuccessful with the team. The Spurs didn't use Jefferson in more ways for him to be successful for them. Notice the system is still about the same since he left. Leonard is just now getting more calls offensively. So, with more calls we should see more from Leonard than we have in his first two years in the league. I said before that by doing certain things it can change a person's mentality. In this case it did. Jefferson hasn't been the same since he left the Spurs. DeJuan Blair is hungry to beat the Spurs and I'm not mad at him for wanting to. I felt the Spurs didn't believe in him either. Did I say I knew everything about basketball? I said you don't know basketball as a tactic move. I guess, we are both sensitive lol. Who knows everything about basketball? Coaches and players are still continuing to learn new things in the league. I believe I said I wasn't perfect and you weren't either. My knowledge on basketball comes from playing, watching, learning from others who have played, coached or studied it. I feel I analyze the game more than you do. I continue to study the game because I love it. You sound like a person who just watches the game. The bum probably would give me a better conversation. I don't know basketball? As "Radio" would say, "That's a goo' one!" Let's change this up, I'm getting tired of talking about the same thing. I don't care why you call Jefferson "Dick" or any other Richard. You aren't hearing me on this so why bother continue discussing it. If you so called know basketball and want to debate show me what you know. You may know some real stuff. But I'm not seeing it in this discussion. You may think the same from me in a different one too.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 First of all, you never said Spiritual in any of your post, you said mental, "making up" so when someone tells another person they have mental issues the other person is going to think you called them crazy, which is fine, but right now I think you're a loony tune. what's all this psycho babble you're talking about saying " You probably haven't even dealt with as much crap as I've dealt with in my life, dude this is a debate, you don't have to get personal, you probably brought all that crap upon yourself with your loony tune mind, don't be so sensitive hahaha. Look all I said was you shouldn't even have mentioned dick Jefferson at all because kawhi is much better than Jefferson in all faucets of the game right now. So what if I call him "dick", That's short for Richard, you don't have to get your panties in a bunch for that buttercup, sheesh. I said Kawhi doesn't really know how to play offensively because he doesn't, he's playing on pure instinct and raw talent, but when he really grasp the game, maybe this year, when he starts reading the defenses and pointing out mismatches for himself, whether it be on the post or the perimeter, when he starts being aggressive every single game, that's when the beast will be born. You said dick Jefferson was "inconsistent shooting and played soft" TADA! I agree with you 100%, I thought I'd never say that, How about this one, "Jefferson didn't take the initiative to make things happen for himself " Ding Ding Ding, What do we have for him Johnny!? I totally agree with you, WOW! that was hard to say! Those are things Jefferson did to himself, the system didn't tell him to be unaggressive or soft, that's what I was trying to tell you. We just disagreed, you thought the system limited him and I thought he limited himself. That's it, nothing less and nothing more. Oh by the way, You don't know basketball anymore than the bum on the street does so don't act like your the second coming of John Wooden okay.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame I said mental and spiritual issues. "Skipping." Insane was not the word I used. The meaning of mental and spiritual was how you took it. You took it as me calling you insane, but I did not call you insane. I guess you're insane to think I called you that. I was basically just saying you got some issues. Like you referred to Richard Jefferson as "Dick." Your meaning for that name is not the same as someone like Andy Dick. And the way I took it was not the same. I'm not really one for calling a man named Richard, "Dick," anyway. Little Richard don't even call himself that. Richard Rich Jr. said don't call me Dick call me "Richie." Dick Tracy was cool though. I said you may watch basketball, but you don't know it. Meaning you obviously do watch some basketball, but you don't really understand the game as much as you think you do. You clearly didn't understand my bringing up Jefferson in the first place. My intention was to only mention him once. Then you kept thinking I was trying to compare who's the better player. After a while I just decided what the heck compare because this dude just ain't getting it. My bringing him up for the last time, was because of the "Bowen role." The article is about Leonard and Bowen. I mentioned that Leonard is not Bowen and neither is Jefferson. But the Spurs are still wanting to find that man who can fill that role. Spurs tried to do the Bowen thing with Jefferson and it didn't work liked they hoped. Here they're doing it with Leonard and it's worked out much better for them. Both Jefferson and Leonard had to make adjustments in the Spurs system. Both players came into a new system and had to learn new things. Both came in as athletic SF who could do more offensively than Bowen. You were saying Leonard hadn't learned yet offensively. I disagreed with you. I think he does know some offense and is willing to learn more ways to improve his game. I feel Leonard is capable of doing more than he has done in his first two years with us. He's shown that and deserves to be given a chance to show it this year. I said I was glad the Spurs were looking to include him more in their offensive game plan. I said so myself that Leonard has adapted better and has been the better player for the Spurs than Jefferson. I don't think Jefferson completely sucks as a player. I feel he just wasn't that good for us. How he does elsewhere is on him. When he got traded to the Spurs I thought he would be good player for us because of the things I had seen from him with the Nets and Bucks. I think the Spurs did too. I'll admit I was really happy when the Spurs traded him for Stephen Jackson. I like Jack. And I knew "Captain Jack" was glad to be back. Stephen Jackson brings a different edge than Jefferson. We needed some toughness on the team. Jefferson in my opinion just didn't adapt well in the Spurs system and it showed on the court. He wasn't consistent shooting and he got soft. He also struggled in some other areas he's really good at. It's not that he's incapable of scoring, but for some reason he was poor for us. He wasn't all the time though. That game against Portland where he dunked on Oden I thought was going to continue throughout the season. But the Spurs had him primarily shooting corner 3's. And he just didn't take the initiative to make things happen for himself. After some time to really think about his role on the team I felt the Spurs did limit him at times. But he accepted a limited role. Jefferson was capable of doing more than shooting 3's. I guess, I can somewhat understand why Jackson didn't want to say Leonard was better than him and didn't want to accept a limited role. He knew he was capable of doing more. Dude still had that hunger inside of him. I can dig that. How many corner 3's did you see Jefferson shoot in that mix video I so called accidentally sent you? You admitted that you almost changed your mind. But when it occurred was along time ago. That goes to show you at least Jefferson was a heck of a player at one point. Leonard has potential to really be somebody in this league. He's shown a lot in 2 years and looks like he's only going to get better. I just want the Spurs to allow him the chance to shine outside of the 3 point line. I've never been more wrong in my life? You probably haven't even dealt with as much crap as I have in life. The fact you wouldn't even look at a 3 min video shows me fear and an unwillingness to want to make sure you're right when talking to me. What are you afraid of? A few things you did say were right and I credited you for it. I'm not perfect and you aren't perfect. Mistakes happen. You just so happen to be making a lot of them in this discussion. It's all good though. Debates are fun to me. In due time you too can improve your knowledge on the game like Leonard. I think it's a good time for you to make some adjustments. Because right now watching the game is the best thing going your way.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 You said I had mental issues in one of your post, meaning that I was crazy, Are you not reading what you type? Looks like somebody else Is having a hard time reading, which is not surprising. Listen buttercup, What gives you the right and the audacity to say someone else doesn't know anything about basketball, I obviously know something or you wouldn't be writing back to me, and what qualifications do you have, I'll tell you, none, you are just a regular fan like I am, albeit one that lives in his or her little world. What stuff Am I skipping, you're saying the same repetitive nonsense you've been saying since I've been posting. You wanna compare their first 2 years in the league? But we weren't talking about their first two years in the league, were talking about when dick Jefferson played for the spurs and kawhi has surpassed him in every way playing for the spurs, If you want stats Take a look at Dick Jefferson's final playoff averages for the spurs where he averaged 9 pts and 5 rbd one year and 6 pts and 4 rbds the next year, oh but you're gonna say it was the spurs system that made Jefferson unaggressive or it was the spurs system that made him miss jumpshots, or he didn't play defense because of the spurs system, You have never been so wrong in your life, and the crazy thing is, you don't realize it. I'm talking about when Dick Jefferson played for the spurs not when he played for some other team That wasn't even relevant. I don't care what he did for the nets or what he did or the bucks, all I care about is what he did for the spurs, and he did nothing, take a look at those playoff averages and think about them, maybe, just ,maybe it'll sink in to that pea brain of yours, that he was garbage. Look At the Stats.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame Did I say you were insane? Is insane in any of my post? That's you calling your own self that. Just like you calling another man sweetie and sweetheart. You may think it's to be funny, but something is wrong with you. I didn't send the wrong video. I was going to say something about it, but I found the other video because it went with what I had recently discussed with you. I deleted it and sent the other one. You apparently got my before edited post. Project Spurs kept moving my stuff around which was frustrating. I eventually figured some things out when writing on this site. That's why I said go to my profile because what I had to say was there. I said you're dumb at reading because you don't read what is being said. You skip stuff. You're so caught up with your idiotic basketball knowledge that you don't realize it's off. This ain't really a debate because you don't know basketball. You didn't look up any stats. Which shows me you assume you know what you're talking about. You probably make up stuff because you know you're wrong and hope a person will give in to your stupidity. If someone were to say, who's better Jordan or LeBron? A person can't even make an argument with you because you'll be the one to say Jordan played along time ago. Don't say you wont because you're doing it here with Leonard and Jefferson. You're saying Leonard is better than Jefferson, right? Right now, you're right. Leonard is performing way better than Jefferson. Jefferson is not doing much right now. He's lost some steps. So, Leonard is the better player today. But let's see if that changes or stays the same by matching up Jefferson's first two years against Leonard's. Young vs Young. Notice I made it reasonable as Leonard has just started his 3rd year. I know you didn't look it up though and you don't have to. I did that comparison simply to see how much you knew about both players. You may watch basketball, but you don't know basketball.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 I'm dumb because you sent me the wrong video. What does that make you?HAHAAHa, you say I'm Insane.You're just running in circles and being repetitive now and that's starting to sound annoying. You admit that you compared them so since that was the case I compared them myself and I gave you all the reasons for kawhi playing well in the spurs system and all the reasons why dick Jefferson was bad in the spurs system, if you knew basketball which you claim you do, you would know that the system didn't hold dick Jefferson back it was his play and ineffectiveness that held him back. I don't how you can't See this? I know teams use players differently and I'm not debating that fact, what I'm debating to you is you saying Dick Jefferson was playing so terrible because of the system which in fact kawhi leonard is playing in the same system and he's playing better, why is that? Because Kawhi is a better player, That's obvious and I'm flabbergasted That you can't see that. I said Kawhi Doesn't know how play offensively yet, because he doesn't once he learns, he's going to be a beast, He doesn't know when to post up a smaller guy, when to be aggressive, when to recognize that he has a mismatch, and how to draw defensive fouls on a consistent basis, once he learns all those things, he'll be a bad man. He's only 22 so I don't expect him to know all those thing, but as the season goes on He's only going to get better and better, unlike dick Jefferson when he got worse and worse. Now you're comparing Westbrook and parker because they are both scoring point guards when in fact Westbrook chunks up 20 shots a game which is more than tony parker shoots and tony is a more complete point guard than Westbrook. If tony wasn't penetrating and sucking the defense in, we wouldn't get near as many open shots as we do and if pop heard you say that about tony he'd probably slap you across your face. Tony makes his teammates better period. Oh and I don't need to see a tape about dick Jefferson saying how he doesn't understand the spurs system and how lost he is, you know what, he kinda reminds me of you.
One of my favorite players, the so called "Quiet One"
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame You're one dumb person when it comes to reading. Plus, I sent a video of Jefferson talking during one of the Spurs Training camps. So, I don't know if Project Spurs gave you the one I resent when I edited my post. Go to my profile and look again. He talks about adjusting in the Spurs system. Yes, Jefferson is starting for the Jazz. He's started every game so far. I didn't say that Leonard was better than Jefferson. And I didn't say that Jefferson was better than Leonard. But look at both players stats in their first 2 years? You get your answer as of right now. I said that Leonard has been better for the Spurs. And that he's fit in the system better. I compared the two simply because both players are athletic SF who were used to fill the Bowen role and had to make adjustments in the Spurs system. If I'm not mistaken Jefferson got traded Leonard's rookie year. The Spurs don't use players the same way as other teams. Imagine Leonard right now playing for the Bulls. You think the Bulls would use him the same way as the Spurs? Think of him going into their system as a rookie. What if Leonard was playing for the team that had drafted him, Indiana? Think he would be used the same way as the Spurs? Think he would act the same way? But this Leonard stuff all started when you made it seem like he didn't know much offense and that he didn't have to make adjustments when he came to the Spurs. You don't pay attention to detail. I had a feeling you would say Parker makes everyone better. While Parker has gotten better as a point guard, truthfully it's the Spurs system. You don't remember when the Spurs wanted Kidd after they beat him in the Finals? It's a reason why Pop wanted him on the team. And for Pop and R.C. to say they wanted both Kidd and Parker, guess where they wanted to place Parker? 03-04 starting lineup would have been: Kidd, Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Nesterovic. Parker is a scoring guard. Look at Parker's euro stats. How many assist per game has he avg. ? His assist numbers are higher with the Spurs. Kidd, Paul, Nash, Rondo and even Rubio to name a few are guys who have a passer's mentality. Deron Williams was once like that back when he was with the Jazz. Guys with that mentality make those around them better. They try to make plays for their teammates more than looking to make plays for themselves. Another way of saying it is, pass first and score if necessary. That's why they're are capable of fitting in multiple systems and can still be successful. The Spurs have found ways to use Parker with his flaws and still be successful. How? Coaching and Role players. Parker may reach his teammates verbally. But saying he makes everyone around him better with his play is like saying the same for Westbrook. You may watch basketball, but you don't know basketball.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 Yes parker makes players better because he's the one who penetrates and dishes to players for open 3 point shots, he cuts to the basket and The big man hits him with back door lay ups, he just knows where and when to be there so he can make plays for himself and other players and he's grown into that role. Just to inform you "Dick" is short for Richard, so you don't have to get too happy about that." Why should I Expect dick Jefferson to do the same thing as leonard?" You're the one who compared them in the first place Saying that it was the system that made dick Jefferson play bad when in reality it was the player and his inability to perform that made him play bad, I just mentioned all the inefficiencies Jefferson had that made him awful as a player for us. Kawhi Plays the same position, has the same shots, but he's more aggressive and is a better all around player than Jefferson was, which I think you mentioned in one of your post. So it wasn't the system, it was the player, if Jefferson was has good as You say he is he'd be making an impact on a winning team right now . You said he plays for the Jazz, Does he Start? Because contributing to me means something else other than sitting on the bench for a team that hasn't won a game. I think you agree with me that Kawhi is a better player than dick Jefferson, so you can't be that dense. Oh yeah, I saw that video of Jefferson making all those plays and you might've convinced me that he was a good player but than I saw the date and it was in 2004, You do realize that that was 9 years ago, 9 Years Ago! Wow! He's not the same player he was 9 years ago, He's garbage, he was garbage when he played for us and he's going to be garbage for any other team he's with from now on. Dick Jefferson, HAHAHAAHA!
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 I bet You wish I was Jason Collins sweetie, and I guess you pay attention to Charles more than I do. The spurs made a mistake when they traded for dick Jefferson, anybody with any sense knows that, and the spurs system didn't make Jefferson play bad, he played bad because he wasn't a good player. Let me make you understand this, Pop wanted Jefferson to post up, to slash, to get rebounds and to play good defense, just like hes telling kawhi to do, the only difference is that leonard as the ability to do these things and dick Jefferson didn't. Last year in the playoffs kawhi didn't have any plays called for him, but he averaged 14 and 10 in the playoffs and I don't even think dick averaged double figures in points for the spurs in the playoffs. You have to compare which player is better because they're playing in the same system. Don't tell me that Jefferson was playing in a different system his whole career and couldn't adapt because of that, that's just an excuse, he was with the spurs for 2 years and got worse every year, that just tells me he was too stupid and didn't have the skill set to be successful in our system. Him scoring 20 points a game for a horrible bucks team doesn't change that, and let me ask you a question, if dick Jefferson is so good, what is he doing now? what lousy team is he contributing to today? Are you going to blame other teams' system's for his struggles today? I hope I broke it down enough for you to understand.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 Get chuck out of my Mouth?HAHAHA I don't even know what that means. Anyway, looks Like I'm gonna have some fun with you sweetheart. Maybe I didn't pay attention to dick Jefferson because he just wasn't that good, He averaged 20 a game for a bucks team that was horrible. Are you going to give him credit for that? Jason kidd made everyone around him better and That included dick Jefferson and pop didn't just want him in the corner to shoot 3's, he wanted him to slash, dunk, post up and play defense the way a small forward should, but he just wasn't good enough to do all those things, so he was just regulated to shoot 3's in the corner and stay out of the way. Did it ever occur to you that the reason kawhi leonard is adapting better in the system is because He's Just a better player. Your Comparison is just stupid and the funny thing is, you just don't realize it. Dick Jefferson! HAHAHAHA!
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame Get "Chuck" out of your mouth, he's doing you no good. You clearly didn't pay attention to what I was comparing.You obviously didn't watch Richard Jefferson during his time in New Jersey or Milwaukee with those types of comments. I don't believe you really pay attention to detail when watching a basketball game. The Spurs system is different than the Nets and Bucks. What type of a point guard was Jason Kidd? Makes since why Jefferson was being spoon fed. Jefferson didn't even have Kidd in Milwaukee and was still doing great things. The Spurs had Jefferson sitting in the corners shooting 3's like Bruce Bowen when he's more so a slashing F. Jefferson is not Bowen and neither is Leonard. But I feel that Leonard has adapted better in the Spurs system than Jefferson. I love the Spurs, but they have been limiting some guys who can do more for them. I'm glad they look at Leonard as the future and are looking to include him more in their offensive game plan. I would hate to see him leave because he felt the Spurs were holding him back.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 Exactly, and he also didn't go up against Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony and Paul George and a plethora of other talented small forwards in the league, I'm just saying that hes playing on raw talent right now, but once he learns how to score with fundamentals footwork and positioning, then hes gonna be a nightmare to guard, and please don't compare dick Jefferson to kawhi leonard because they are totally different players, dick jefferson was spoon fed in new jersey by Jason kidd and he averaged 20 a game for a bucks team that made the Washington generals look like world beaters. He struggled because he just wasn't that good, and I think kawhi would be offended that you compared him to dick no defense Jefferson.Always remember, a scorer could score in any system. Dick Jefferson is one spur I did hate. I do agree with you that he needs to be patient and take advantage of the shots that are given to him, but hes a far better player than dick Jefferson.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSameIn College Leonard wasn't playing with guys like Parker, Duncan and Ginobili. When Leonard came to the Spurs he had to adjust his game because of the system. Richard Jefferson is a good example of this. He was a heck of a player with the Nets and Bucks. But with the Spurs he was a struggling talent. The Spurs tried to use Jefferson similar to how they used Bowen and it didn't work. Here they're doing the same thing with Kawhi and things have worked out a lot better. In due time the "future face" of the Spurs will get more opportunities to show what he can do offensively. But right now it's all about being patient and taking advantage of the shots that's being given to him.
@DifferentVSTheSame @isaacd35 Yeah, I did see him in college but there's a big difference between scoring in college and scoring in the nba, In college he was just more talented than everyone else, so he scored easier, in the nba it's a little different because everyone is just as talented so it's harder for him to score, but once he learns how to play offensively skies the limit and he'll be an easy 20-25 point scorer.
@isaacd35 @DifferentVSTheSame You're very right about Kawhi being the better offensive player and that he has potential to get better. I must ask though, did you watch any of his games with San Diego State? He didn't come to the Spurs not knowing how to play any offense. He's had to change up his game in the Spurs system. But over time the Spurs have noticed that they can use him more offensively. In due time we should see more from him.