According to Yahoo! Sports, the San Antonio Spurs worked out Tracy McGrady who is currently seeking a guaranteed contract which he won't get with the Spurs.
McGrady is a seven-time All Star but after a strong, promising NBA career with the Raptors and Magic, he was beset with injuries which derailed his career. Last season he was with the Hawks and averaged 5.3 points, 2.1 assists, 3.0 rebounds, and shot 43% from the field in 52 games.
T-Mac is getting up in age at 33-years old, and with his history of injury (though he has been relatively injury free in recent seasons), the Spurs are best to pass on him. Not only are they set at forward spot with Stephen Jackson, and Kawhi Leonard, as mentioned before, McGrady is looking for a guaranteed contract next season. San Antonio can use that money for a center or a power forward.
Overall, this just sounds like San Antonio doing their due diligence but T-Mac just doesn't fit into what the team needs - mainly size in the paint.
What do you have to say Spurs fans about T-Mac and the Spurs?
if danny green make his shots he usually does in the WCF, i'm pretty sure Spurs is in the finals against Heat,,,manu is effecient out there,,,i won't trade him because he can play both 1&2 position,,,our bigs should be better now because if TD is sitting down/resting on the bench,they attack our defense because splitter/bonner/diaw/blair can not defend the shaded area...if we just can get a big guy out their with a little on offense but concentrates on defense,,,man okc/lakers will go down!!!
@jhhein yup, VERY unlikely Spurs would get fair value for Manu either.
Then you are in agreement with me that until manu learns to play within himself he has little value.
@jhhein lol no I actually don't agree with that..Manu has a LOT of value for the Spurs, but since there are FEW good Cs in the league and MANY good SGs, teams are not likely to trade a big (especially a guy like Al that had third best EFF in the league for Cs last year) for a SG like manu. And a guy that supposedly never plays "within himself" doesnt rate #7 SG in the NBA in EFF.
Not saying it wouldnt make ANY sense to try, but you are definitely undervaluing Manu and his importance to Spurs. And if you think he is so bad, how could you POSSIBLY expect Jazz to trade pretty much their best player for a supposed awful manu? lol
@jhhein because he is worth more to san Antonio and the community than any other team. Plus he is getting old and is injury prone. But he is golden to san antonio!
@jhhein lol your one out of four theory is pretty off jhhein..7th best in EFF for SGs last year (and two ahead of him only played 20 and 9 games total, so they would possibly have finished behind MG if they played more than half the season) Sorry, but you will find VERY few if any that would agree with you in this case. Manus positives FAR outweigh his FEW negatives.
All great point,just hoping that it could happen since he is the highest paid spur & we could get a big of about the same pay amount(Al Jefferson).JUST HOPING!
@jhhein but that is what makes Manu Manu! He plays balls out all the time! He is one of the most unique players in the league and will not stop. When he had the ARM brace on during the grizzlies series, I cringed everytime he fell driving to the basket. He is the consumate teamate, and risks his body for the team nightly. I have argued the same arguement as you about kobe, how the lakers should try to cash in on him while they can, but he means too much to their team, just like manu does for the spurs. I will grant u it was reported that the spurs were shopping both him and tony after the grizzlies series, but did not get offers they liked. Why would they now?
I disagree,Mr "soul" plays out of control & this fact causes the spurs to lose to many games-Its easy to lose sight that a ratio of one good game in about four is not going to win you champenships.If you think i am wrong just follow he's progress this coming season-one great game,two games that he disapears & one game were he becomes mr TURNOVER.
@jhhein Duncan is the heart of the team, parker has become the brain, buy manu is the soul! You just can't trade that away cuz he's getting old...
Thank you for opening this up this for discussion.-He is injury prone has one great game,two games that he disappears & one game where he plays like a high schooler that becomes Mr hotdog that creates many trunovers.The rest of the leage still give him good value &we could get a good player back.
The (lol) just JOKING-both of you have very good point & fact. my thinking is this,- remenber houston & the seatle trade for Randy Johnson near the playoffs,it formed the seatle team for the future.Just hoping history repeats itself in the NBA.
@jhhein Ok, I think we've all agreed the Spurs will not get a young stud for him in a fair value trade. 66 and I are agreed that Manu is a glass full type player, jhhein sees it as half empty. So two against one, we're right, lol. Anyway, like I said the Laker's could trade Kobe before he completely falls apart, and there would be many suitors (and could get young players like you recommended for Spurs with Manu), but they won't, because people go to see Kobe (although this season it may be to see DH for a while) Kobe is the face of these Lakers, like Magic was before him. Manu is part of the Big 3 in SA and people go to the games to see him. He is one of the more dynamic players on the team, people like to see his no look passes and slashes and will forgive his TO's for the most part. Manu helps sell tickets which is the most important part of business. Besides, Kawhi is just too quiet for the HEB commercials....
@jhhein The facts haven't changed either. If Spurs were offered someone that they thought would help more than Manu would, THEN they would likely do it. FO is far from stupid, and would do what they thought was best for Spurs. The simple fact is that the chances of that offer coming is MINISCULE at best.
At this point we can just agree to disagree, because you aren't changing my mind or 80's and we obviously aren't changing yours.
Heres an excerpt from Hollingers recent scouting report and projections from espn on Manu, and maybe then you will see how valuable Manu is still to the SPurs
"Scouting report + Left-handed pick-and-roll maestro. Excels at slashing to the basket for fouls. + Daring passer with great court vision. Good finisher. Likes step-back set shot. + Very good rebounder. Vastly underrated defender with quick hands.Analysis He played only half a season, but what a half-season it was. Ginobili ranked second in PER among shooting guards, ahead of some guy named Bryant from Los Angeles, and was third in the NBA in TS% (see chart), with the two players ahead of him playing much more secondary offensive roles.It gets better -- Ginobili is basically a point guard at this point, leading all shooting guards in both assist ratio and pure point rating. He led all shooting guards in 2-point field goal percentage at an absurd 61.6 percent, and finished in the top dozen players at his spot in free throw rate, rebound rate and blocked shots....
@jhhein I disagree again. I know its BUSINESS and that is precisely why Spurs likely aren't considering trading manu. They need him to help lead this team, AND make Spurs money. Manu is a big draw in San Antonio and stats don't lie, he STILL is a force in this league.
Now your giving me an opinion based on thinking from the heart-remenber,bottom line,its a "BUSINESS", peroid.All else is CONJECTURE!
@jhhein Agree..and thats a big reason why Manu will almost definitely not be moved. How often do you see a vet with likely only a couple years left get traded for a young all star type? (and I say all star because Manu was just one in 2011 which is actually more proof of how valuable he is considered)
@jhhein Ya I get your point, and actually Spurs did just that last year getting KL for Hill. But trades arent easy to pull off..both teams want to come out on top. And its very likely Spurs will HAVE to get worse before they can get better again at some point. That is the way the NBA is set up pretty much. You mention TD and Drob and Spurs were near the bottom of the league before they could draft them. SA is not LA..we dont have virtually unlimited money, nor are we a sought out destination for young rich guys to want to go to. So getting big FAs here in SA will always be difficult in this day and age. Our options are limited. And you keep mentioning that Manu is old, broken down etc but expect to get something better in trade than he is? I think you should just get used to the idea that TD and Manu BOTH will likely retire as spurs. Sometimes it makes sense to let certain players play out their careers where they want to. And I'd say those 2 earned it. (and its unlikely imo that either will stay too long..re: when they can no longer contribute) And like I said before, Manu puts butts in seats and that is important to the Spurs. FO will always try to keep the Spurs competitive, but every team has its ups and downs, and not every move pans out. I dont agree that Spurs dont think with their head either..if they didnt they likely wouldnt be the most successful small market team in the NBA.
1)No, you misunderstood my point.The spurs have been blessed in having some great player(STUDS).ice man,DR,TD etc.The spurs are a great team at finding really good role player.My point is that the current studs(TD,TP,& yes evan MG)are getting long on the tooth.I think that for a team to be of champenship caliber it must have studs surrounded by really good role player.My question is were are the spurs going to get the next wave of stud player to stay as competive as they have been?I believe that inorder for the franchise to be able to achieve this goal,it must be able to go beyond creativity but find in itself the strenght to think with its head & not just with its heart.I think if they are capible of boing this ,then they are going to have to make some hard choises to ensure the betterment of the team for the future.2)NO on trading TD.3)half empaty-just my opinion
@jhhein lol ya, half empty is a HUGE stretch. And like I said before, Manu is NOT going to get us an awesome young big. And if you are actually suggesting we trade TD now too, I think I will just bow out of this debate.lol (TD has a no trade clause anyway)
Agree about the trade part & not the nutso part!One other point to considerTD is also getting up there in age & the spurs are not getting the #1 pick anytine soon-to stay competitive in the future they need to start thinking outside the box so that they can renew their talent or the spurs will soon become an average team..
@jhhein @Spursfan66 to say manu's game is half empty is ju just plain nutso man! but like you said, he is aging and fragile. Show me a GM that will give a fair value for a young player. And a realistic trade, not just one that "works" on trade machine....
@Spursfan66 @jhhein I guess that when it comes to Manu you are a type peason that see his game as half full & I see his game as half empty.This is the beauty of sports & because of this I think there are many people out there who see it your way which gives Manu high value.In a team loaded with good smalls & lacking bigs, wouldn't it make sence to trade a player that is near the end of his career,is fragile & still has game(value) for a player that is young & fills a great need for many years to come?
@jhhein Attacker does not always equal "out of control" Derrick Rose led the nba in TOs last year in playoffs..would you trade him? Chris Paul was 3rd. Is he no good too? Rondo was 5, LBJ was 6, Durant was 8, PARKER was 9th..so why shouldnt we dump TP instead? Manu was tied with 6 players at #10 at 3 TO per game. AND, in the regular season Manu was # 83 in the league...Jax, diaw, and TP averaged more TOs per game.You are cherry picking ONE stat that Manu doesnt excel in and trying to use that alone as reason why he should be dealt. As I said before, he does MANY other things VERY well so when you look at the big picture, Manu is huge for the spurs. You also need to consider how many times his attacking ends in POSITIVE things, like points or assists. MUCH more often than not, something good comes from what Manu does. He was a key to 3 chips, an all star, olympic champ, euroleague champ/mvp and he puts butts in seats in san antonio so there is just next to no chance Spurs will trade him.
Then that my point,what you call an attacter I call out of control,trunover can be momentum changer that can have negative impacts on games & evan series.That why I say that if he learned to play within himself,he would be a much better player.Fundamenal basketball teaches that you don't pass the ball while in the because it limits you to only one option(limited reaction time).Manu does this all the time which leads to many trunovers.He is a professional,& he sould be capable of learning from his limitations.
@jhhein lol not trying to get you to stand down, just citing the facts that I see. Generally I just google whatever stat Im looking for like I did above for EFF stats which I like because they measure many areas like PER does. Im not sure Manu played enough games last year to get asst/to stats, but I found stats for him in previous year and his ratio was better than many big name guys like kobe,wade, collison,terry, billups,LBJ,ellis,curry,rose,westbrook,and wall. And he was 29th in total assists that yr. Obviously though the asst/TO ratio is not his best area being that he is an attacker. http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/sortableStats?league=NBA&dir=descending&stat=&low=1&high=50&table=assists&position=all&showPlayers=min&year=2010&seasonState=regular&Go=Go
And I doubt he could have been that bad last year since Spurs were actually ranked 2nd as a team in that category
Good info & I 'll stand down but two questions, 1.where do get this info & 2.what is Manu assist to trunover ratio?
@jhhein Sorry, but Manu was HARDLY the cause of loss to OKC. The guy shot 50% FG, 42% 3PT, and an insane 93 % FT. 90% of the team had worse performances. And Efficiency stats prove your theory wrong about Manu as well. He was the 7th MOST efficient SG in the league last year http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/3/eff
If you really think about it,we lost to okc due to him(trunovers) & donner miss shots.He is getting old-lets get some value for him-& start prepreing for the future.
The Spurs are just looking around. Just about every team is inviting players who may or may not fit their team structure. It's just good management to look around. I doubt if he will get a good look in, that is unless Jackson is going to be in the trade mix as well (which I doubt though). Getting all these players in for try-outs might serve to give the current players who may be on the trade bait list a kick up the pants so that they try harder this next season. I think eventually the Spurs will get that big they need, might not be this year (or if it happens this year it will be at the trade deadline, when hopefully Blair/Bonner/Neal have played well enbough to interest other teams) but it will happen soon. There are some good bigmen (like Bogut) coming up in free agency in the next few years, so maybe the Spurs are waiting until then, they will have more cap room available too? Just a thought...
Just a random attempt at possible trades. It works on ESPN Trade Machine. It involes Spurs, T-Wolves, Blazers & Hornets.
Spurs get - Aldridge, Rubio & Pekovic
Blazers get - Bonner, Joseph & Jason Smith
T-Wolves get - Parker
Hornets get -Blair & Neal
It gives us solid pieces with which to rebuild whilst TD and manu are still around and a developing Leonard.
@OzSpur Blazers got hosed..lol But really, Aldridge is their centerpiece and it would take 50x more than that to get him. And I doubt wolves would even do a straight up trade for rubio/parker.
@OzSpur Might have cap room next summer depending on manu resigning, and for how much, same for jax. If Blair is still here and Spurs actually still want him (VERY doubtful imo), they wont be breaking the bank for him..lol..I'm guessing that we MIGHT have 6-10 mil to spend on a player after manu decides..(much more if he retires)
@Spursfan66 @OzSpur I think they'll have some decent money left. Manu is getting $14 mill and Jackson $10 mill. I see Manu sticking around a little longer, but no way does he get paid more than Duncan! I'm thinking around $6-7 Mill, and Jackson I think may be at the point in his career that he wants to play for happiness rather than $. He's tasted other pastures and what has it gotten him? I think as long as the Spurs give him a fair offer he would accept it. If he will sign a reasonable deal $4-5 mill, the spurs are looking at about $12 Mill on the high end of my figures (although who knows if those are right). They still have about $12 to play with. If they go after a big, then there is no reason to resign Blair and he is off the books.
@Spursfan66 @OzSpur crap, it was 4am when I posted that and I forgot about tiago! Doh! Crap, so if we keep him, there goes our cap space... I'm all up for ditching him if there is a chance we can man someone who would improve our team. Toshiba is no favorite of mine, next to rj I think he might be the next spur who i've cursed at the most. Somehow bonner always slips by my tirades....
With Leonard's emergance and his ongoing growth in all areas, I believe that he will be the focal point to rebuild the Spurs. That means providing pieces that fit around him, rather than TD. I also think, depending on injuries, that Manu will retire before Duncan ever does. And I doubt Jax will be there beyond the end of this season. The two players who I would like to see on the Spurs (and I know this is a pipe dream. But hey we can all dream right) are Rubio and Bogut. Rubio if he stays healthy will be as good as TP, and Bogut is a veteran (yet still young) big man who when he is healthy is among the best centers in the league. Those two with Leonard snf s good solid supporting cast would make the Spurs contenders for a long time yet.
Yeah me too. I saw some of his games at the Olympics when they played Australia and other teams. And he definately has got some quality skills there.
@OzSpur Im actually curious to see Alexey Shved this year. He strikes me as a near clone of Rubio, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him have similar 1st yr success that Ricky did. If he does, T pups could really have something there.
@OzSpur I agree KL will likely be A focal point, but not sure about THE focal point. And I like Rubio, but he wouldnt even be a possible FA until like 2016 and Bogut will likely be done by then. And Bogut himself has 2 years left on his deal, then GSW will hold his bird rights. I hope Andrew comes back and is again what he was, but I have my doubts at this point. He had some horrible injuries. I would like LM Aldridge myself as a spur. And I'm feeling like when Spurs have All Star $, they will be targeting a PF/C and build around him as they did with Drob then TD. Im just hoping they can find that guy in FA so we don't have to again rely on sucking bad THEN hitting the lotto..lol