Going in to the season and even up until a week ago a lot of San Antonio Spurs fans probably thought this team was set at the point guard, shooting guard and small forward spots. If the rumor mill of the last 24 hours is any indication, the Spus front office does not agree with the fans' sentiment. Less than 24 hours after Alex Kennedy reported the Spurs were interested in Josh Howard, ESPN's Chris Broussard is reporting the Spurs are interested in Rockets point guard Jonny Flynn (H/T to HoopsHype).
Broussard's report was literally one line that said the Spurs were interested in Flynn, so there's no indication what they'd be giving back. Surely the Rockets can't be asking for much in return for Flynn, so if it involved a second round pick or a future first round pick with conditions I'd be all for it.
The problem is Flynn is in the final year of a contract that pays him $3.4 million. So the Spurs would have to send back close to three million dollars to acquire him. To do this you're talking about giving up something like James Anderson, Cory Joseph and DeJuan Blair or just Matt Bonner to get Flynn. He was a high draft pick a few years back and he has talent, but Flynn isn't worth even giving up Bonner for, much less three young guys.
I know a lot of fans would be comfortable with another experienced point guard on the roster, but I don't think Flynn is the answer considering what they'd likely have to give back. Still, the Rockets do have a ton of young assets, so maybe this rumor is part of something larger. Or maybe it's just something the Rockets or Flynn's agent are putting out there to try to drum up interest in a third string point guard.
I hear Nets are tryna move Johan Petro... he seems like someone our F/O would get but i don't necessarily like him.
As for a PG... damn... options are limited. If we can work out a draft pick and JA for Flynn then I'm all for it
I like the idea of getting, but like it says in the article, I'm not too crazy about what we would have to give up to get him. Same thing with Josh Howard. Why would I give up a very servicable Danny Green for a guy that chose not join the team in the off-season.
Flynn is someone that I would look at. Unfortunately the only scenario that would be servicable (but not feesable) would be Flynn and Thabeet for Joseph or Anderson and RJ. I know that the consensus is that Houston owes the Spurs for basically giving them Scola, but they don't owe them enough to take back RJ
@tdlane How about something along the lines of RJ, Anderson, and Bonner for Flynn, Thabeet, and Markieff Morris. I think the Rockets would do this because Flynn, Thabeet and Morris all seem out of favor with the Houston coaches. This solves our PG problem, it gives us a more athletic version of Bonner, and it gives us two big men
Thabeet is long, but nonperforming. Flynn never shown his promise. MOrris is young and yes, shows promise. Will the spurs let go of Bonner? A trade involving RJ, Anderson and Joseph for Flynn, Thabeet and Morris is ok. Is RJ acceptable to the rockets? If it is, then by all means, let's do it Mr. Buford.
@spurs123 @tdlane i would loooove this. especially because thabeet has good potential but just hasnt done enough for teams and morris has been too inconsistent for them. but i doubt theyd take rj for how much money he is, and everyone knows that bonner needs to play in a system specifically for him or he cant do anything. i dont see this trade going down :/
@spurs123 My question is, why would they take on 3 years of RJ and 3 years of Bonner? I don't want it and I'm rooting for the people that signed them to those contracts. Don't get me wrong, I would be all for this version coming to pass.
@spurs123 That probably is the better trade, the unfortunate thing is that while the Hornets are under NBA control they will constantly be in "Money-Saving Mode". If they keep Kaman and just let him walk then his contract comes off of their books and saves them over 10 million. If they trade him for RJ they have to keep paying for 3 years. They don't want to do that.
@tdlane I still think that the best trade is Vazquez and Kaman for RJ and Anderson. Even throw in Joseph for all I care, I just want this trade to come down.
an over priced back up is not exactly what we need. we could have kept hill for that money. there is a reason flynn cant get off the bench hardly. i mean he shoots 27% TWENTY SEVEN! and 12.5% from 3! holy crap! 2.5 assists in 12 minutes isnt that bad i guess but the spurs look for scoring from their PG, and flynn has never been accused of being a top flight defender.
for 3.4 mil i say not only NO but HELL NO!
@JohnAbneyRJ, Anderson and Joseph for Thabeet, Flynn and Morris, the trade is just about even. The contract of RJ for that of Flynn and Thbeet comes out even. Joseph is rarely used so why not Flynn. The changes atmosphere may be good for everybody involved. Go for it Mr. Buford if the situation arises.
can i just express frustration on one fact...we picked cory joseph with the 29th pick in the draft as a backup pg and hes come up with squat!!!
and to top it off we couldve used that 29th pick for any other guy doing alright as a backup pg or hell just a productive player. what was isaiah thomas in the draft (ill admit he was a crazy surprise)? i think norris cole was picked at 28? hell i wouldve even been fine taking another sf. who was it the spurs worked out that everyone heralded as the second coming of matt bonner on this blog? wasnt it chandler parsons? and isnt he killing in houston right now?! i mean i know we gave up a pg in the kl trade but come on that was a good trade. but that 29th pick wasnt and couldve been used for another pg that wasnt connected to the gm or just another piece that wouldve given us a lot more
Its a puzzle to me too. A guy drafted 29th to do backup job. So, if Flynn comes up, i say take it. It's just a contingency move. The same goes for Thabeet and Morris for RJ and Anderson.
@rtesoro440 @aespurs cory joseph shoots a much higher% rebounds better, defends better, and assists almost as much in the limited time he gets on the court. as for the RJ trade, never gonna happen. morey does not take bad contracts like RJs, plus they are happy with the SF players as it is. in addition, there is no way he is trading morris for anderson. NO WAY. not to mention thabeet is all but a certified bust, why would we want to bring him in?
@aespurs I'm willing to bet the Spurs were salivating to get Cole @ 29th, and were left scrambling when he went off the board. Joseph is a project, nowhere near NBA ready. So far, worst 1st round pick for the Spurs in years, and that includes JA, who's been disappointing to put it mildly.
@CraigThomas LMAO! thats classic stuff right there. cooky theories HA. man your killing it. your right about one thing, i didnt read your comments about RC or anything else because your so stuck on the whole longhorns BS that you make little to no sense. you ASSUME that im a long horn basher because i wrote TU instead of UT. dude you need to sit back take a deep one, maybe close your eyes and rethink your whole approach to things because once again your barking up the wrong tree. if you can see through my "transparent" hatred of the longhorns then maybe you should have spent your money on a better education because your logic and reasoning is FAR from realistic. your so butt hurt of the transposition of 2 letters that you cant think straight. relax man, its a spurs board, not a TU VS ATM board. its not me or anyone else bashing your college team, hell i have yet to say anything bad about them. i dont watch college sports, dont care for them. i didnt go to college, yeah i respect the core of cadets, and you would be wise to as well, they are the future leaders of our military. i opted to join the military and serve my country rather then go to college. i now own my own business and am doing quite well without a college degree. the military taught me a lot of things, one of which being to just laugh at guys like you. getting butt hurt over something so stupid. HA! classic! move along now and try to start that argument elsewhere, im here to talk spurs!
@JohnAbney @CraigThomas Oh please, your hatred of the Longhorns is fairly transparent. Going out of your way to talk about some ridiculous UT conspiracy theory is fairly typical of Aggie fans. You didn't even read what I said about R.C. being more critical of Cory b/c he spent MORE time watching him b/c of his proximity to Joseph. No matter, go take your cooky theories to Dallas and become a Mavs fan because that type of stupidity is not wanted in San Antonio.
@CraigThomas Yeah your barking up the wrong tree with the whole TU vs ATM talk I promise you. The thing I do respect more about the Aggies, they know how to take it when someone talks trash while you longhorn fans get your panties in a wad. Now back to the topic at hand it is RC's words not mine when he talked about he has watched Cory, and how he has spent a lot of time with him because he is his sons friend. On that note, I'm Done on the subject, Flynn is IMO worse then Cory, and there is no way the rockets would trade with RJ involved. They want to trade scola and Martin for a big name. They would trade for tony or manu, not even Duncan any more.
@rtesoro440 @spurs123 @Chris32 @aespurs Sure, if we can get a legit backup PG right now and we can trade Joseph to do it I say go for it. However, I think that the Spurs are so limited with their trade chips that such a trade probably won't happen. To blame what's going on at PG on Joseph is wrong though because this season was not when he was supposed to even play with the team!
@rtesoro440 @JohnAbney I would not pull the trigger for Thabeet. He's a draft bust and probably would end up like another Ian Mahimi: a big body who is athletically gifted but with no real feel around the basket. Also, there is no what that Houston would trade Morris. He is their post of the future and is probably going to develop into a fairly well-rounded player.
@CraigThomas @JohnAbneyEvery college recruit is young but they are expected to perform better or joseph is just not given enough time to do his act. But if the occasion arises for a trade involving guys like Flynn, Thabeet and Morris for RJ, Anderson and joseph, i say pull the trigger. A change in atmosphere will be good for everone involved.
@rtesoro440 @spurs123 @Chris32 @aespurs I just don't understand why you are blaming our PG situation on a 19 year old rookie guard, who was supposed to spend this year in the D-League and suddenly got thrust into the Spurs rotation? It's not his fault the T.J Ford experiment didn't work. He was not drafted to help the Spurs at PG THIS year!
@JohnAbney @CraigThomas Oh yeah, I'm sure the corps of cadets doesn't tickle your fancy. You're just upset that we signed a Texas basketball player over some other school in the Big 12. Who cares if R.C. has seen Cory play more often than other players? In my mind, that would make R.C. even more critical of what he sees in Cory's play than if he'd only seen a couple games and a few highlights. To suggest that R.C. is taking one of his son's friends under his wing for a few 100k is outrageous and insulting. Btw, did you like the way UT sent the aggies off in style from the Big 12? Hahaha of course you did!
@CraigThomas Lmao did TU hurt your feelings? Bottom Line is, it is fact that Cory is very good friends with RC's son. Rc has been on record in saying he has been watching Cory for some time and likes what he sees. For the record I am not bias toward a&m, I went to the army not college but I think you longhorns fans are funny in how easy it is to offend you with the simplest of things.
@JohnAbney Cut the BS John with your skewed A&M bias. No body wants to hear it. Joseph is 19 years old and was not recruited to run the backup PG position this year. That's why we got T.J. who clearly didn't pan out as his injury history caught up with him. If you're going to go after the front office for selecting Joseph, go after then for not seeing the obvious injury-prone history of T.J. Ford.
@tdlane @spurs123 @Chris32 @aespurs Do I have to remind everyone of 2 things. 1 Cory is/was friends with RC's adopted son at TU, and 2 everyone hated on George hill for the 1st year, year and a half. Everyone was pissed we didn't take chalmers. Maybe Cory washes out or maybe he doesn't but he is playing as well as Flynn in half as many minutes.
@Chris32 @aespurs I'm sorry, but Joseph is TERRIBLE. He's small, he can't handle the ball, and his jump shot is bad. He has been applauded for his defense, which really hasn't been too impressive at all. Thomas, Goudelock, and Selby are all PGs that were drafted after Joseph and are all much better than him. I'm pretty sure he was only selected by the Spurs because Buford knows him personally and feels like he owes him or something along those lines.