Just what the San Antonio Spurs needed, another big man headed over to the Western Conference to make their lack of size even more obvious. This time it’s not just any big man, it’s THE big man.
Dwight Howard is all set to join the Los Angeles Lakers, a move that has to make Spurs fans cringe. Somehow missing out on Chris Paul turned out to be more beneficial to the Lakers than if they had gotten him. They now have Howard and Steve Nash, got to keep Pau Gasol and of course, still have Kobe Bryant. Throw in Metta World Peace or Antawn Jamison at small forward and you have arguably the best starting five in the NBA, and definitely the best in the Western Conference.
The Lakers could be like the Heat when LeBron James and Chris Bosh came to town. They got off to such a slow start because the team couldn’t gel and had to go through some growing pains to learn their roles. It could happen, but I doubt it.
Steve Nash is such a smart basketball player and he will be the glue that holds this team together. He’s going to run an incredible offense and I can see this team hopping right out of the gate.
I hate to say it, but the Western Conference has just become a race for second place. That might even be the case for the rest of the NBA too. I’m not sure the Heat could take down this new Lakers team. The difference between what the Lakers have done now and the Heat did 2 years ago is that the Heat left themselves without someone to run the offense and without a competent big man. The Lakers have filled in every position and they found the right guy in Nash to hold it all together. The bench will be suspect, but even that won’t matter.
I’m sure Spurs fans will hate me saying that the Lakers are going to run away with the conference title before they even play a game, but can you honestly remember the last time a team had this much talent assembled in one starting five? I can’t, at least not on paper.
It definitely pains me to have to say so many good things about the Lakers, but I can’t deny the talent. This team was built to win a championship right away. I think they’ll do just that.
Not so fast, If Tony Parker competes with nash for assists, and not Kobe for points and shot attempts the spurs are the best shooting team in the nba. That is the key to the spurs making it back to the finals. That will make the whole team better, what championship team in nba history had their point guard with the highest shot attempts and leading scorer? When Parker understands that, order the RINGS.
no big no ring....quit guessing on how howard's back is not good, nash is old etc...we dont have big- and so we not a complete team..we dont deserver a ring....if u think otherwise focus this hate on Spurs owner/mamagement!!!
Of course the Lakers will win the championship! They are the NBA's money cow. The NBA has deteriorated into nothing more than those WWF and other fight shows that are supposed competitions. The NBA has to get championship rings for the stars who have paid their dues, like they did this past season for Lebron James, Wade, and Bosh. It was just too obvious last season what was going on; I could not ignore it any more. It is entertaining watching the talent of these NBA players, but I just have a hard time believing that it is a true competitive sport. It's a great show but that's it.
Howard to Lakers - Blame it on the next Sam Presti : Rob Hennigan <- a product of the successful Spurs Brain trust. One can't help but feel pity towards what Dwight had put the Orlando Magic through the past year. "The four-team trade that sent Dwight Howard to Los Angeles is stunning. It helps everyone but the team that had the leverage, the Magic. Orlando gets role players in return without doing much to cleanse its payroll. No one is sure how high the Magic protected first-round draft picks will be, but there’s a chance not one of them will be a top-20 pick or will arrive until 2014." - Buck Harvey , SA Express News. --- THE RICH JUST GOT RICHER. THE NBA IS NOT ABOUT PARITY AND FAIR COMPETITION. AS IF IT HAS NOT BECOME ONE INCREASINGLY OVER THE YEARS. WITH THIS DEAL YET AGAIN, THE NBA HAS BECOME A BUSINESS. A PURE BASKETBALL FAN IS BETTER OFF WATCHING AND SUPPORTING COLLEGE AND FIFA BASKETBALL. I'M THOROUGHLY DONE.
Clearly looking at this Lakers team and matching up the individuals, one could look at both rosters and say the Lakers have better pieces.. but check out our history, the spurs win because they play as a unit.. thats what they hung their hats on last season and we'll continue to do that so long as pop is in charge... our window is 2 years (TD WILL retire then) so i think we can snag one but were gonna have to play lights out... i think with mills bigger role, KL getting better,Splitter and Diaw holding down the front court, and still being able to shoot the 3 at a good clip we'll be formidable.. but do we have enough in the tank to win a title in the next 2 years? who knows, we'll need a surprise guy to step up (In the mold of a Neal, Green,etc)...btw Kyle, way to be negative with this article.. you've got the faithful join nuts...
Yeah I can remember the last time the fake show pulled a stunt like this. You obviously don´t. Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, Gary Payton? That fakers team was better than this one that has just been assembled. Tell me how that went for em. You know that´s one of the reasons I hate teams like the fake show and the Heat...they think they can just buy a championship...they´re the Yankees of basketball!
it won't mater that th bench is suspect???? Kobe & Nash aren't exactly young anymore, they can't play all 48
@Spurs_n_Devs Jamison, Hill, Clark, Ebanks, Blake now Meeks and maybe Kmart too? Not so suspect to me
@CraigThomas @Spurs_n_Devs hm..cant shoot? ebanks shoots 41% and will get better..only 2 year pro. Also a 70% FT shooter. He's also 6'9" and can defend, has solid build. (btw that kobe guy shoots 43%) (and he is listed as a forward NOT SG)
Ya Blake is not a great defender, but no way Neal is better.lol Plus, did you see what Blake did in playoffs?Several clutch shots. Does have value..
Earl Clark was 14th pick in 2009, ANOTHER big for LA that can rebound very well, and many consider the sleeper in this whole trade. In playoffs last year he got 6.6 rpg, 4 ppg, @ 44%, and 1 bpg in just 17 mpg, and boasts an EFF of +8.80. And he's only 24. Good upside.
So ya, not the BEST bench in league, but not very suspect now either..and keep in mind, offseason isn't over, and LA is pretty much now THE team to go to if a player wants excellent shot at a ring.
@Spurs_n_Devs Nash can barely play 30 especially trying to stay in front of Russell or Tony.
Is it just me, or was this done just to make the Steve Nash move make sense? Steve is a pick and roll guy, and the two LA bigs are not pick and roll players. The thought of Bynum and Gasol's enormous legs trying to run around the court setting picks for Steve is comical. So, in comes Howard who is a fairly good screener and deadly off of the roll. As we saw with the best combo of this variety (Paul & Blake), they can be easily stopped from getting all of those alley-oops. Ironically, I see the Lakers problem much like the Spurs.
While our missing big man is exacerbated by this move, LA's slowness is not helped at all. Last year, what plagued LA was being too slow defensively to rotate and adjust. Howard is somewhat of an improvement over Bynum in this respect, but Nash logging minutes definitely will not help the Lakers defend pick and rolls. Also, they have no depth whatsoever except with maybe Jordan Hill. Their bench is still heavily depleted. And on top of this is the fact that Dwight could miss up to a month or two months of regular season play before being able to compete. Team chemistry will surely be an issue when you are missing such a vital piece of your team for a month.
We'll see how it works out, but I don't think this helps LA as much as people would believe. We still have a shot at beating them, and OKC definitely has the tools to beat them.
@CraigThomas Unfortunately the bench is already taking shape now too..I agree that this could still essentially implode, and Im still thinking Howard is gone this summer, but it's pretty hard not to say LA has become fave in west
Sounds to me like if you voice "your opinion" on the Lakers acquistions or on the Spurs "non-acquisitions", you are immediately chastized by one party or another. I guess thats just good banter back and forth between true fans and those that think they are fans (those only fans when team is winning). Face it folks...None of us are in the FO, none of us are considered a part of the "brain-trust" and none of us will get a call from Pop asking our opinion! Everyone is permitted to have an opinion and to voice it (atleast until the next election). OK...I'm done on my "soapbox". I don't care what the LAL have done or will do...Go Spurs Go!!!!!!!
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see this as a championship team, and if they have bad chemistry, not even a playoff team. They have one defensive minded player (Howard) who is only good when he feels good, they have a really old team, and they have no bench depth. I don't see this Laker team as better than the Thunder, the Spurs, or even the Nuggets.
@spurs123 I agree that they are no lock for a title, but honestly, pretty sure they can walk into the playoffs with eyes closed
Forgot about Artest being a good defender, but his terrible shot selection outweighs his good defense.
@spurs123 artest WAS a good defender, 5 years ago. now he can defend for small spurts and his mind and pour shots FAR out way his moments of defensive promise.
so my 2 cents, steve nash is one of the worst defensive PGs ever, and while he has a great bbiq, he is still 72 yrs old and has a bad back. can the lakers training staff keep him on the floor better then the suns trainers?
artest has lost 5 steps, and is still a single mental snap from being booted from the league all together.
pau is still soft, and hasnt been in kobes good graces, nor has he wanted those good graces since kobe and his wife talked paus girl into leaving him.
howard had back surgery this year, is he going to be 100%? nobody comes back from back surgery and never has back problems again, nobody. so you have to wonder, is howard going to be better then bynum? i think only in his maturity level but after his orlando temper tantrum of a season, im saying howard is 12 yrs old vs bynums 7 years old.
duhan and jamisson are upgrades on the bench but signing me would have been an upgrade over teh crap they had before.
in the end i dont think the lakers are scaring the spurs, the thunder or the heat. and with the upgrades on the heat i think they are easily the favorites to win it all again unfortunately.
Why talk about the upgrades done by other teams? Sour grapes? The Spurs CAN sign some big, young, athletic guy but, they won't want to spend. They are pinching their $. Speaking of injuries, Bynum has a bad knee. and talking of age, how old are TD, TP and Manu? The real issue is willingness to invest. We always say that the Spurs is a "small market'. Again, I say, if they want to be relevant, they have to spend, to invest. INVEST to EARN NOT earn and earn.
@rtesoro440 @JohnAbney well said "sour grapes". The truth is PATFO doesn't have the money to build a competitive team. And spurs fans cannot digest the fact that LAL actually got better. We talk about bench depth and forget that how our bench disappeared in WCF. We talk about our young role players getting matured but forget that other teams have younger players with higher potential who are also maturing. We talk about other teams getting older and overlook the fact that TD, Manu, and Tony are not getting younger. We talk about other teams being injury plagued and forget what happened to Manu last year and Tony in the off season. Imagine what will happen if TD gets hurt, we don't have a backup for him who can guard the rim for us. As of today
Howard > Tim
Gasol > (Splitter + Diaw + Blair + Bonner)
MWP <= Kawhi
Kobe > Manu
Nash >= Parker
So where do we stand a chance against LAL in a 7 game series
@nish21 @rtesoro440 @JohnAbney I don't think I agree with anything you just said. First of all you didn't say Kawhi is better than Artest you wrote greater than or equal to. Secondly, Manu is currently way better than Kobe, and if you don't think so you are way too hyped up on the ESPN mumbo jumbo (Manu is a better passer, defender, and has a way higher b-ball IQ). Even delusional Laker fans would not agree with you that Nash is a better player than Parker. Nash is possibly the worst defensive PG in the NBA, and IS 38 YEARS OLD. Also, if you think Jamison, Hill, Blake, and Meeks are better than Neal, Jackson, Splitter, Mills, Green, Diaw, de Colo and Blair, you must be high as hell.
@spurs123 @rtesoro440 @JohnAbney Which planet do you come from brother? I did mention KL is better than MWP. But Manu better than Kobe????TP better than Nash???? Just compare their stats. Nash makes everybody around him better. He has been assist leader for so many years now, his FG%, FT%, and 3FG% and turn over rate are all better than Parker's. And talking about the bench they have Jamison, Jordan Hill, Blake, Jodie Meeks, Devin Ebanks. Howard, kobe, Gasol can play nearly 40 mpg. And what about Spurs bench Neal, S-Jax (overrated), Splitter, Bonner.
@nish21 @rtesoro440 @JohnAbney The matchups you have at the end are a joke. First of all, Kawhi is better than Artest in every possible way. At this point, Parker is lightyears ahead of Nash, and Manu is much better defensively and offensively than Kobe. Oh, and not to mention the Laker bench sucks and Pop is a waaaaaay better coach than Brown.
@rtesoro440 do you have any idea how the nba CBA works? oh wait we have had this conversation REPEATEDLY! lets look at this, in 2013-2014 the new cba comes into full effect. if the lakers sign howard after this season he is likely going to get at MINIMUM the same money he is now. that will put the lakers at just shy of $100,000,000 in guaranteed payroll, AND they will only have 8 players with a league minimum of 13 required. if they sign 5 vet minimum contracts they will be easily over 100mil. as per the sliding scale of the new cba goes, the lakers will have to pay ANOTHER $100,000,000 just in luxury tax. that means their 13 man roster will be costing them $200,000,000 for a single season. to put that in perspective, the spurs organization is only worth about $400,000,000 for the entire franchise.
the spurs are only slightly profitable as it stands, so spending 100 mil EXTRA even if holt WANTED to pay 100 mil in payroll would put the spurs out of business and san antonio would end up like the hornets or worse, the seattle supersonics!
clue? get one?
Second, in reply to your ridiculous novel about how Spurs didn't do this or that..AGAIN, for like the 10 th time, WHEN A TEAM IS OVER CAP, THEY CAN'T SIGN ANY FREE AGENT THEY WANT...THAT'S WHAT CAP MEANS!! A 3rd grader could understand that, so why don't YOU?
@JohnAbney @rtesoro440 @Spursfan66 In 09 we had the 12th highest payroll, in 2010 we had the 11th highest, last year we had the 6th highest. I don't see the issue, we aren't LA and aren't going to have 100M payrolls, but we have consistently been over the cap, we have the best FO in the league keeping our talent pool filled. We just made the WC finals. Most teams would consider that a phenomenal achievement! Look at the team payrolls and you will see that money doesn't guarantee anything. Some Spurs fans are extremely spoiled. As a lifelong Bulls fan I admit that I was jealous of the Spurs (until I moved here and adopted them), that they do it the right way and have been the most consistent team in the NBA for a long long time. Realize what you have and savor it while it lasts, most NBA teams would kill to have our owner, FO, and core players, with the exception of a certain red headed stepchild...
STOP being dishonest to YOURSELVES. Whatever excuses you make, sounding like apologists of the Spurs. They don't need you. LOOK at what is your fence NOT others. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that they Spurs has been indifferent after all this years? Why is it so difficult for tehm to see their deficiencies? Yet YOU keep on justifying what they do. It seems they are the only team NOT to make the needed changes. Yes,we are all aware how they performed last year when they were eliminated by the grizzlies. Yes, we are all aware how they were unceremonously booted out in the wfc by the Thunders. Yes, we are all aware that they won 60 or more games. Some teams did worst but, at least they are trying to improve. The Lakers, Jazzs, Heat, OKC, Pacers to name a few have added men to hopefully make themselves relevant. Why can't the Spurs do it? Why are free agents seem to be avoiding them? There were some free agents available who could help the lineup but, they didn't make a move. And, why wish the Lakers ill-will? YOU are only sour graping. Me incoherent, stumbling and bumlbing? Placing yourselves in a pedestal YOU DON'T DESERVE! Give me a break. Yea, your mr. holt is duty bound to see that the Spurs make profit but, unlike YOU he is aware of the risks he entered. To YOU the nba is a business where YOU take all the money of the fans and public without the concommitant duty to return what YOU owe - to give them a champiuonship team. To YOU it is enough that the Spurs are "two games away" from the wcf crown. What matters to YOU is the team makes profit without returning to the fans part of that money. What matters to YOU is YOUR pocket! And, let salazar speak for himself!
how to influence others--you certainly do not by calling them names. You make
some great points but please don't berate spurs fans who are all in this together. with you. Makes you look silly and surely negates much of your
@rtesoro440 @Spursfan66 ok i have ignored all this long enough..... rtesoro, you know nothing of being a business owner, running a business or how the nba works. yes being a business owner means taking SOME risks, but ALL risks are calculated and are educated. mr holt is a VERY GOOD businessman as evident by holt equipment. frivolously investing or spending for the sake of spending is BAD BUSINESS! a sound investor would not take his entire business and take the risk of blowing everything he has on something that doesnt have a high probability of success, thats just dumb. if you think that spending money just to be spending money then you know nothing of anything. if holt had a serious chance to win a title by spending a ton of money then he would BUT every business has constraints, and you have to weigh the risk vs reward. as a business owner myself, i can see you know nothing of the subject. my suggestion is get out of your moms attic, ride your bicycle down to the public library and check out business for dummies because thats as close to understanding business as your ever going to get. as for mr salazar needing to stop posting, speaking for myself (and im sure a few others) i would rather read his posts then to have to read your attempt at broken english typed out with ignorant underlying in every sentence. that said, this is obviously public and you have no right to tell him not to come and post just as i have no right to tell you not to post, no mater how much more informative this place would be without your stumbling and bumbling nearly incoherent rants may be.
@rtesoro440 you have no idea what you are talking about, never have , never will.
Mr. Stockholder, you are WAY OFF. Business means taking risks. As I said, STAY AT HOME and just watch the games. Investing is for the bold NOT a faint hearted as YOU. I appreciate your concern for the Spurs but, YOU have NO PLACE in business because ALL YOU know is making profit and this is for harebrains like YOU.
@rtesoro440 @JohnAbney lol its pointless to debate with a moron..and you rt are a moron. As Ive said BEFORE, Spurs ALWAYS spend right up to if not INTO lux tax..and you keep spewing nonsense like Spurs aren't investing in the team. How can you NOT understand how stupid that is?
Your 1st two sentences are exactly what WE are saying to YOU. Spurs DO spend differently than LA because they HAVE to! Do Spurs have a billion dollar contract with time warner? NO. You say "teams that don't make money are stupid" AGAIN, EXACTLY OUR point! I've also told you before when you claimed teams going into Lux tax every year have the most success, that you were way off. ONLY LA has done SLIGHTLY better than Spurs have over the last 12 yrs or so, and New York and Miami that are the other 2 teams that go well over lux tax every year have NOT DONE BETTER THAN SPURS HAVE!!
Your bankrupt "argument" is just nonsense semantics..our SIMPLE point was that those teams moved because owners were losing $..and Spurs would be in the same boat if they tried to spend as much as NY or LA. You can whine about Spurs ONLY spending 70 million JUST on players alone all you want, but if you continue to claim they make no investment in the team, you just make a complete fool of yourself
As for your contention that ANY team can sign whoever/spend as much as they want at any time, AGAIN you are COMPLETELY wrong..and frankly, I'm not going to waste my time telling you AGAIN how cap etc works..it's POINTLESS
Why can't you admit that the Spurs spend their $ differently? Teams that don't make money are stupid. Everyybody should be making something of their investment. You know what a luxury tax does? It merely lowers how much profit a team makes NOT bankrupt it. You gave the hornets and seattle sonics as examples. Are you sure the former owners were bankrupt that they sold their teams? Maybe they sold their teams because they are tried of them or they found it not profitable enough vis a vis the amount invested.but certainly NOT bankrupt. Now, what attracts fans and the public from watching the games? It is the kind of players signed. If the Spurs begin to lose games, you think the fans and the public will troop the arena? Again, I maintain as you yourself admits, the nba is a business. Just like any business, investment is made and hopefully profit is realized. You show me a business where everything is profit, profit. No sir, profit is earned because investment is made. Again, luxury tax limits profit. In business, the capitalist spends, so that he makes profit. Without investment, no profit. What relevance does CBA has on how much a team spends? It merely define the boundaries of how much is spend without penalty. At any time a team may spend over and beyond what is set taking into consideration how it may earn. Tell me of a GM who doesn't dream of having his arena full. It's a gamble. You my friend is faint-hearted. You can't be a businessman. Stay home and just watch the games.
The Spurs lean SO MUCH on TD squeezing everything they can get what they pay him. He had done everything possible but, he is just one man. Yes, the Spurs NEED a big guy to help TD NOT 6'7" guy or a Brazilian who is soft or a Bonner who disappears when crunch time comes! They want role players who are cheap.
@rtesoro440 @ajd21 rt, Is Sjax cheap? Was RJ cheap? Like I said before, if you are SO enamored with a team that just spends $, jump on Laker bandwagon. If you really DON'T understand that if Spurs spent like LA did, they would be out of biz and moved to Seattle or somewhere in no time at all, then you are simply clueless.
@rtesoro440 @ajd21 lol rt..topographical? Look up that word in the dictionary and try to explain how that makes ANY sense. And I HAVE stuck to the issue, and have, along with several others, clearly explained how you are so often wrong, and have no understanding of how the NBA works. It's like talking to a wall..someone will clearly and simply explain something to you then you will go on another thread and write the exact same thing again.
And "improve YOUR garmmar" is just precious..lol
@rtesoro440 @ajd21 lol Morons are exposed by butchering the english language AND posting clueless drivel..it's YOU'RE, NOT your.."apololist"? REALLY? "Not the stockholders think as you do"? There's a genius level sentence..Crack a book instead of trolling websites where REAL fans discuss teams intelligently, dolt, otherwise get used to getting PWNED